Well Sony expect people to buy a PS3 don't they?

The main difference between this bundle and the PS3 is being that the 360 actually has a good selection of games. And don't think I'm bashing, either. Aside from Ninja Gaiden Sigma, I use my PS3 for nothing but playing PS2 games.

I don't think we can take a furry's oppinion on anything, to you 'normal' is looking at illustrated naked foxes.

Yes ssuk, because making rash generalizations really prove someone's intelligence.

But your opinion is worth less than his. He looks at real naked women getting dp'ed by big black men because of his own inadequacies!

This isn't a bad deal at all, if, and ONLY if, you had already planned on buying an Elite + the HDDVD drive.

But if not, then looking at a $350 360 right next to a $600 bundle, no matter how many movies it comes with, just doesn't look like a good deal.

- ssuk... Now I'm going to edit one of my furry pictures before I watch the pawpet show. Yeah...don't stereotype.
- Anyways, I think this bundle is more justified than buying a PS3.

Wow, what unbelievable stupidity here.

Not that I care for the whole furry thing either (nor do I care for this 360 bundle), but invalidate his opinion just because he is one?
ssuk and Aberu, I think your opinions should be ignored for being ignorant, bigoted dumbasses.

Exactly. A much better deal. I got the 5 BR movies already with my PS3. What did I get with my 360? Nada. And now to pay $599 for the losing format? Not that I wouldn't get a second 360 as I just preordered my HALO 3 edition, but $599 is no deal.

maybe this is a bad bundle, but why do you say hd dvd is the losing format?

so far, they are both losing. ONE single DVD movie can outsell the entire blu-ray and hd-dvd catalog combined.

Maybe the hardcore early adopters choose blu-ray as their next gen disc format, but until prices equal DVD and the majority of people have HDTV, you really can't say what the masses want, whether it's hd dvd, blu-ray, or digital downloads. I would be wiling to bet that just by name HD DVD already has better brand recognition, but I'd also be willing to bet that by the time HD owners are the majority, digital downloads will be looking much more attractive than physical media.

A new format is inevitable. If you look at the sales, HD DVD is going down in flames. They are getting pounded this year 2 to 1.

Take 300 for example. Biggest selling title in high definition but it sold 67% on BR versus 33% on HDDVD. And this is the normal trend. Here is a good breakdown:

http://blog.pixelperfectproductions.com/?p=54

well if thats the case that you need to include $100 wireless to make it even with the ps3, then the ps3 needs to add on $200 cause you need to buy a media center extender with your ps3 since the xbox 360 can act as one and the ps3 does not.

Also the ps3 controllers dont rumble, so lets tak on some more moeny for a motor. Dont forget no HDMI cable included with ps3,

Not sure why you say media extender since I stream from Vista onto my PS3. Also add wirelss to the 360 - more money. Also look at the cost of the 120GB HDD when I upgraded my PS3 to 250GB for cheaper - without violating my warranty. Add in play and charge kit for my 360 which I had to buy whereas my PS3 uses a USB cable. Add in proprietary wireless headset I had to pay extra for and just pre-ordered a second HALO model where my PS3 uses my cellphone's wireless bluetooth. I would say keyboard and mouse for the 360 for websurfing but you can only web surf on the PS3.

I like my 360 and just preordered a second with the special HALO3 edition. But for sheer value the PS3 ranks far beyond the 360 and actually feels like a next gen machine. Not just a game console but a next generation piece of hardware. Anyone that has one will remark in a similar fashion. All it has lacked is a robust games catalog and that is changing soon enough. Inb the long run it will last more than 4 years like some other consoles.

If you want to top both models out the PS3 comes out better for the value and will by mid next year really show it's muscle.

A minute too late. :P

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/12/xbox-elite-and-hd-dvd-plus-movies-for-599-at-amazon/#c6677591

Seriously, fanboys, wi-fi's speed cap isn't all that great for gaming. Only reason it should be used if a wired connection isn't possible.

Wireless is irrelevant when you're gaming online though. You won't even come CLOSE to hitting Xbox's 54 Mbps limit.

Shows how much you know about wireless.

Hamfo,

I know a lot about networking, wired and wireless. I just want to know where you've read that the 360 has a cap of 54Mbps.

On the box. It says 802.11g. That has a 54 Mbps limit.

No offense dude, but, HOLY SHIT you are a retard. If you have a wired and wireless internet connection at home try downloading the same file over wired and wireless. I guarantee that it wont download faster than 54mbps. That means that the speeds should be the same, right? NO, it doesn't, go ahead try it. Then you try and say wireless doesn't affect speeds.

BTW you can't take offense since I said "No Offense".

Do you even know how fast 54 Mpbs is, son? (yes, after I'm done with you, I'm going to be your dad). I'll do the math for you. 1 Mbps = 1000kb, so 54 Mbps = 54,000 KB/sec.

Now let me ask you, do you download stuff faster than 54,000 kb/sec? Ye...oh wait, no you don't. Most people don't go higher than 6 Mbps. So wireless = wired if you're connecting straight to the internet.

The only thing that'll go slower on wireless is if you're transferring files from computer to computer (where you can reach and exceed Gigabyte speed). But that's not online gaming.

Umm, did you even try what I said? Why the hell do you think every body complains about wifi being slow? The wifi cap is 54 MB/sec, but the EFFECTIVE speed is MUCH slower. You should probably learn stuff, before you go prancing about calling people your son and not knowing what the hell you are saying.

BTW 1 MB = 1024 Kilobytes.

Hamfo, I was speaking about the WIRED speed cap, not wireless. And after looking around a bit, I see now that the 360 uses 100Mbit Ethernet.

And, after looking up broadband services, looks like the fastest residential connectin is 7Mbps. So, I guess wired or wireless doesn't really matter.
Still, wired connections are more reliable.


Also, connection speeds are measured in BITS not BYTES.

PSWii60 aside, I have to agree with the wireless naysayers here. I don't care what you are using, wireless networking is unstable, unreliable, not secure, and an overall pain in the ass.

And yes, there are those of us who have a good home network and don't play much online. When streaming audio or video via home network, by using anything but a wired connection, you are asking for a headache.

Abuzar, you have no clue what you're talking about. Ofcourse the effective speed is much slower. But that's irrelevant. The effective speed is STILL faster than 99% of commercial internet speeds. So you ultimately lose.

BPM is the only one in this page who actually know what's he's talking about. Except the "wireless connections are unstable part". That's only true if you're getting your signal from a mass-provider like a college campus, etc. My own personal wireless router almost never drops. And it's definitely enough to get me through my quick 20 minute football games.

I like the advantages. No wires, no mess, and I can actually have my girlfriend around and not look like a dork.

Don't forget inferior audio options and the old implementation of HDMI. oh yeah, and no bluetooth. Shall we go on or has your memory forgotten how to argue as well?

It's true, Universal seems to be the only holdout. If they do decide to cave, it's all over.

I read that Warner Brothers has developed a dual format disc that has HD-DVD on one side and Blu-Ray on the other. And they are more than willing to license the tech. Hmmmm... maybe we will see a software convergence instead of a hardware one. Very very interesting ey?

@snatch They will still be more expensive so economies of scale will dictate a single format. dual disks will just prolong the war

How about UMD and LaserDisc?

EP,

Click your name, under your Mario Avatar...it's a hyperlink that leads you to your profile. From there once you log into your profile, you can change the picture associated with your profile.

Thanks Frank,
Figured that part out. The thing is, my password doesn't seem to work...but that's my problem.

blogsmith.com

EP,

When they send you your comment to submit, they usually send you a password...to comment without having to click the link. Well, that's your password!

Try it out!

I'm done posting fanboy like comments.

I own PS3 and Wii. And as soon as Falcon 360 comes out, I'll own that as well. So I'm done with the negative comments and all. It's useless, dumb and hateful.

It's about the love.

I agree - also, Joystiq should automatically downgrade all posts that contain a disproportionately large number of words that are typed in all caps and end in the letter "z." For example:

WZOWERZ IZ AMZ TEHZ AZWZOMZZ IZ TEH L33TZ!!!11Z

Talk about annoying...

not to mention they won't release a black wireless adapter and wireless headset.....but that's okay i like spending way too much money on accessories that don't even match my console...